tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post113574569503439536..comments2023-11-05T23:25:31.498+11:00Comments on Wot Is It Good 4: sibelologyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-33078902591764514592007-02-19T20:58:00.000+11:002007-02-19T20:58:00.000+11:00thnx Connecticut Man 1 - yeah - it looks like they...thnx Connecticut Man 1 - yeah - it looks like they used the diplomatic immunity in both the US and the UK (see Adrian Gatton)lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-71612930001796027162007-02-16T15:23:00.000+11:002007-02-16T15:23:00.000+11:00sibel is suggesting that there were people at the ...<I>sibel is suggesting that there were people at the ATC and the ATA who knew that Plame was a spy, and somehow that information got to Feith and he engineered her outing - probably through grossman somehow.</I><BR/>Why not assume that she is suggesting that ATC and ATA didn't know that she was a spy "until she was outed"... Perhaps, outed so they wouldn't get caught in a spy trap.Connecticut Man1https://www.blogger.com/profile/08923884330387123010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-85810862404483471512007-02-16T15:12:00.000+11:002007-02-16T15:12:00.000+11:00it's not obvious why a drug smuggling network need...<I>it's not obvious why a drug smuggling network needs a friendly ambassador in place</I><BR/><BR/>Diplomatic immunity... Can't search diplomatic pouches. Good way to move money safely.Connecticut Man1https://www.blogger.com/profile/08923884330387123010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136822541978685892006-01-10T03:02:00.000+11:002006-01-10T03:02:00.000+11:00Anonymous,I will acknowledge that wiretaps by them...Anonymous,<BR/>I will acknowledge that wiretaps by themselves do not prove anything. For instance, the fact that targets of wiretaps were heard discussing payoffs to Hastert does not "prove" Hastert ever received any money from Turkish sources. <BR/><BR/>But what IS significant is the way Ashcroft and the FBI reacted to Sibel's case. The VF article makes clear that there was enough evidence that Justice was considering a Special Prosecutor. The Prosecutor idea was quashed when the Bush Administration came to power.<BR/><BR/>the second point that is significant is that the American Turkish Council infiltrated one of its own, Melek Can Dickerson, into the FBI translation program. Why? If the ATC and associated organizations were just making "hollow boasts" about payoffs, illegal arms and drugs deals, and ties to Bin Laden, why go to the trouble to penetrate the FBI?<BR/><BR/>As for your comment that Ms. Edmonds has not "one scrap of training", I would leave her to defend herself on that. But she has repeatedly said that many of her views were shared by the agents and analysts in the FBI, one of whom was transferred to another office to get him off the case. So I believe she is speaking not just for herself, but for many within the FBI.Miguelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15674950013243401071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136695749009094762006-01-08T15:49:00.000+11:002006-01-08T15:49:00.000+11:00Hey people. You need to get a life. Sibel was tran...Hey people. You need to get a life. Sibel was translating for the FBI for like three months. Any serious trained intelligence professional (WHICH SHE IS NOT) knows that the wire taps she translated are full of lies and distortions from people who are braggarts. The wire taps also include people who are real spies doing all sorts of things to prove that they are legitimate in the eyes of the people they are spying on. The Vanity Fair piece was really a big poof nothing. If you read it closely, you'll realize this. Sibel Edmonds case is a big nothingburger. She had no idea what was going on in those wire taps and not a scrap of training that would enable her to figure it out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136683530131368782006-01-08T12:25:00.000+11:002006-01-08T12:25:00.000+11:00thanks sharin. there's a fair bit on my site about...thanks sharin. <BR/><BR/>there's a fair bit on my site about grossman and edelman. search around.<BR/><BR/>when i said 'i must admit...' - i was specifically referring to the grossman/edelman's roles. it's not obvious why a drug smuggling network needs a friendly ambassador in place, and what exact type of 'assistance' they provide, and how they get paid etc.<BR/><BR/>generally, yep, arms and drugs - but im just trying to understand the mechanics.<BR/><BR/>which book are you talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136681620452144842006-01-08T11:53:00.000+11:002006-01-08T11:53:00.000+11:00I have been somewhat of a sibel nut myself, trying...I have been somewhat of a sibel nut myself, trying to figure it all out. I love your site and just happened to come across it. <BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/><BR/>i must admit, even i still dont know much of the story beyond some vague sense of the people and the activities generally involved. for example, i dont have a clue why grossman, or edelman, is important - or what he is specifically doing, and how he gets paid. why does the american ambassador in turkey have to be involved in the scheme? i dunno.<BR/><BR/>Could it be involving drugs for arms or poppies into opium? I'm going to find whatever I can on grossman and edelman and read the book she mentions. I just ordered it and can't wait to try to add some dots. <BR/><BR/>Strange how the media skipped right over the things she said. THEY DO NOT LISTEN.<BR/><BR/>LaRouche has been talking about some of this stuff for a while. Some think he's nuts, but I think I'll go back and revisit some of the things he has said.<BR/><BR/>Sharin in CaliforniaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com