tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post113583598841836499..comments2023-11-05T23:25:31.498+11:00Comments on Wot Is It Good 4: sibel edmonds, brewster jennings, edelman and grossmanUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-67554961213528156642008-07-30T19:45:00.000+10:002008-07-30T19:45:00.000+10:00I'm usually not a fan of Gehry's work, but this is...I'm usually not a fan of Gehry's work, but this is an exception. Using wood as a wrapper imitating structure is not only novel, but ties the space down through the use of a consistent, inviting, and non-distracting material palette. Perhaps Gehry is more suited to small-scale projects <A HREF="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com" REL="nofollow">Laptop battery</A>.new laptop batteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00570449773667377150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-3389824025552088762008-02-11T23:23:00.000+11:002008-02-11T23:23:00.000+11:00anyone who sells arms to al qaeda today would be e...anyone who sells arms to al qaeda today would be engaging in treason(if they are indeed the ones attacking us e.g. 9/11)....there is no room for argument there. saying it is good for business is no excuse. dealing arms with american enemies is treason. that isnt old fashioned. it is just this kind of lack of rational reasoning ability which makes me lose hope for america sometimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-83619858940582211722007-08-28T01:43:00.000+10:002007-08-28T01:43:00.000+10:00Neoconvict: Remember Cannonfire's Joe Cannon revea...Neoconvict: <I>Remember Cannonfire's Joe Cannon revealed that "hijacker" Mohammed Atta was on Abramoff's Sun Cruz gambling cruise just 5 days before 9-11.</I><BR/><BR/>Not necessarily true, actually:<BR/><BR/>http://www.911myths.com/html/atta_and_abramoff.html<BR/><BR/>Neo: <I>And Atta's relatives, including his father, say he is alive and well and kept protected.</I><BR/><BR/>Definitely untrue.<BR/><BR/>http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/19/atta.father.terror/index.html<BR/><BR/>CAIRO, Egypt (CNN) -- The father of one of the hijackers who commandeered the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, praised the recent terror attacks in London and said many more would follow.<BR/><BR/>Speaking to CNN producer Ayman Mohyeldin Tuesday in his apartment in the upper-middle-class Cairo suburb of Giza, Mohamed el-Amir said he would like to see more attacks like the July 7 bombings of three London subway trains and a bus that killed 52 people, plus the four bombers.<BR/><BR/>Displayed prominently in the apartment were pictures of el-Amir's son, Mohamed Atta, the man who is believed to have piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the north tower of the World Trade Center as part of the attacks on the United States.Lopakhinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655368700834081023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-65065576969460335702007-08-03T02:58:00.000+10:002007-08-03T02:58:00.000+10:009/11 happened as the National Guard was in the mid...9/11 happened as the National Guard was in the middle of an exercise lookng for what happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-87011324042459266962007-07-13T04:44:00.000+10:002007-07-13T04:44:00.000+10:00Excellent work, Lukery:) May justice come soon!Excellent work, Lukery:) <BR/><BR/><BR/>May justice come soon!PrissyPatriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13631831301034918405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1137981846220667162006-01-23T13:04:00.000+11:002006-01-23T13:04:00.000+11:00what is the plame connection to mardrid and the la...what is the plame connection to mardrid and the latest murders in pakistan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1137977365428158842006-01-23T11:49:00.000+11:002006-01-23T11:49:00.000+11:00Fitz would not indict Plame and fits a profile tha...Fitz would not indict Plame and fits a profile that he was investigation as organized crime task force, CIA. As far as Plame in this, most are wondering about the 'Plame Madrid Spain ally' connection and the recent attack in Pakistan, another ally who's leader needs to go?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1137301436082205442006-01-15T16:03:00.000+11:002006-01-15T16:03:00.000+11:00Lukery, an excellent job detailing all of Edmond's...Lukery, an excellent job detailing all of Edmond's allegations. My head is spinning! <BR/><BR/>Keep up the fantastic work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136741264071434922006-01-09T04:27:00.000+11:002006-01-09T04:27:00.000+11:00I think we have the ultimate in corruption of any ...I think we have the ultimate in corruption of any government in history of US and we should throw cheney, bush and their entire team out of government. Is it not that we are a Democracy ? God help us if we dont act now.<BR/>KeenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136689518942019612006-01-08T14:05:00.000+11:002006-01-08T14:05:00.000+11:00on the drugs and money aspect all should be aware ...on the drugs and money aspect all should be aware of the John Diloren trial and the last words he said to the judge before he was told he was out of order. One would be foolish indeed to believe that the billions avaliable in the drug trade haven't affected our foreign policy moves as this society runs on who greases the tracks w/the green, (money).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136674300049401882006-01-08T09:51:00.000+11:002006-01-08T09:51:00.000+11:00Of course there's more to this. Any serious invest...Of course there's more to this. Any serious investigation into 9-11, and the Bushco house of cards collapses like a... well, house of cards. It is clear that the neocons planned and orchestrated and financed the whole thing. Remember Cannonfire's Joe Cannon revealed that "hijacker" Mohammed Atta was on Abramoff's Sun Cruz gambling cruise just 5 days before 9-11. And Atta's relatives, including his father, say he is alive and well and kept protected. And there is so, so, so much more. But when, oh, when, will any of our so-called fourth estate begin any serious investigation? <BR/><BR/>Of course the root of the neocon power comes from the stolen election machine. Diebold is rolling across America right now light a fat, filthy, black-smoke spewing freight train. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer123" REL="nofollow">Click here to ask Barbara Boxer to lead the fight for fair elections!</A><BR/><BR/>Boxer was the only one with the stones to stand up against the seating of the Ohio electors in the stolen '04 election. Unless the Dems get their head out of the sand, and fast, Rove's master plan of a "permanent Reoublican majority" will be realized. Sign the petition!<BR/><BR/>http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer123Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136616033778606762006-01-07T17:40:00.000+11:002006-01-07T17:40:00.000+11:00A footnote to the above post...Everyone interested...A footnote to the above post...<BR/><BR/>Everyone interested in Turkey's politics in the 90s followed the Susurluk accident mess. It was 10x bigger than, say, Iran-Contra here. I'm sure Ms. Edmonds, even if she didn't know every detail knew tons about it just from being reasonably well-informed. <BR/><BR/>So, imagine you were following Iran-Contra a bit and you got a job translating criminal intercepts in another country and, whoa, all the Iran-Contra players showed up talking to various well-known politicians in your host country. You might be a bit surprised and you might have something to say to your colleagues about it. <BR/><BR/>I suspect Ms. Edmonds recongized various players/banks/arms dealers/diplomats from the Susurluk fallout and that set off bells, bells, bells.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136615627056171552006-01-07T17:33:00.000+11:002006-01-07T17:33:00.000+11:00Cross posted at KOS but, hey, it's a lot better st...Cross posted at KOS but, hey, it's a lot better stuff that the Hopsicker material.<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>I guess everyone interviewing and thinking about Sibel Edmonds has forgot about Susurluk. I can promise you that she hasn't forgotten about it. It's an interesting event for many reasons and it's very likely that the US side of it is exactly what Ms. Edmonds is talking about. <BR/><BR/>What TF is Susurluk? <BR/><BR/>Imagine a car accident at, say, the Greenbriar hotel in WVA. Several people are killed, among them Jeff Gannon, Douglas Feith, Warren Christopher, and OBL. Imagine a country were thousands of people who challenge the government just disappear. Imagine a country were the most wanted terrorist is employeed by a cabal of defense department honchos to attack political enemies and seed fear. Well, Turkey, in 1996 was that country. (Hmmmm, it sounds familar.) However, after the Susurluk accident, a car crash that killed Abdullah Catli (Turkey's most wanted terrorist at the time), a former deputy police chief of Istanbul, a True Path Party member of parliment who ran a private army (to protect the people against terrorists), a mafia don, and a prostitute all hell broke loose.<BR/><BR/>The fallout from the Susurluk accident turned Turkey's political structure upside down and the fallout is still being felt today. It was, hands down, the largest and most complex political scandal in Europe in the 1990s. Numerous investigations spread from the initial accident investigation, leading to elaborate documentation that Turkey was being run, more or less, by a secret government consisting of defense contractors, drug mafia dons, corrupt politicians, and, ahem, terrorists. Many of the most serious human right violations throughout Turkey were attributed to the Susurluk cabal. <BR/><BR/>Sure, everyone says Turkey is corrupt and run by the generals but after Susurluk, there was enough real evidence to prove it (and to take down dozens of politicians and the ruling party, and put people in jail.)<BR/><BR/>It is the mother of all proven conspiracy theories. And at the edges of Susurluk lie the same players as Sibel Edmonds is, apparently, talking about. Yes, the same guys from the state department, and the same neocons, and the same NATO defense contractors, and the same Israeli and Iranian arms dealers from Iran-Contra, and the same BCCI and Riggs bankers show up where the Turkish investigation of Susurluk shut down "for national security reasons." How were large quantites of drugs and arms moved and laudered? It's unclear but it looks like the people that Edmonds is pointing to handled that stuff. People who were dealing with Turkish criminals under the guise of fighting the cold war and stopping terror, ahem. <BR/><BR/>Take a look at Susurluk. It's mostly off the radar of the US press but there's lots and lots of stuff from Europe about it. It's bigger than you are thinking and remarkably well documented by various national investigations, Amnesty International investigations, UN investigations, etc. You'll have to dig but, hey, it's worth it. <BR/><BR/>Bruce Sterling has a nice little introduction to Susurluk in Wired Magazine here: <BR/><BR/>http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.08/cyprus.html?pg=2<BR/><BR/>There's a 1997 Washington Post article about the beginning of the scandal here:<BR/><BR/>http://kurdistan.org/Washington/couturier3.html<BR/><BR/>And there's a UN report on Turkish Extrajudicial executions from 2001 that credits and documents a remarkable array of human rights problems related to Susurluk here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.hri.ca/fortherecord2002/documentation/commission/e-cn4-2002-74-add1.htm<BR/><BR/>There's a lot more material out here. Enjoy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136597346946909662006-01-07T12:29:00.000+11:002006-01-07T12:29:00.000+11:00oops - that comment above was from me (blogger is ...oops - that comment above was from me (blogger is playing up)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Lukery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136596813645918132006-01-07T12:20:00.000+11:002006-01-07T12:20:00.000+11:00EW - yep, i think you are right to suggest that we...EW - yep, i think you are right to suggest that we shouldn't see State as a beacon of honesty - and i think the purported 'realist vs neocon' battle is largely overblown. similarly, i think the 'State=Realist' meme can also be very misleading. For example, it's pretty easy to argue that Armitage is all but a neocon (check <A HREF="http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/01/cheney-lobbying.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> post, for example). Similarly, Grossman is now at the Cohen Group.<BR/><BR/>As for tying this into plame, have you read the other posts linked in the post? The working hypothesis is that Plame/BJ was getting too close to unravelling the arms/drugs trafficking network that is financially rewarding certain people at State and DoD and elsewhere - and she was therefore outed in order to block the BJ investigation and the possibility that the scam will be exposed.<BR/><BR/>Good point about the Risen/iran stories - i missed the obvious double-agent scenario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136590273829548322006-01-07T10:31:00.000+11:002006-01-07T10:31:00.000+11:00Very intriguing. I've seen allegations that Armita...Very intriguing. I've seen allegations that Armitage should be included here, because he has done significant work in the 'Stans, and has long been involved with covert ops. And he would fit Edmonds' criteria very well.<BR/><BR/>One thing I've never had adequately explained (and one reason I've put more trust in Grossman than others on the Plame thing, as you note here) is the American Turkic Council. The three people at State I know who had a close involvement there in 2003 were: <BR/><BR/>Grossman<BR/>Brent Scowcroft<BR/><B>Joseph Wilson</B> <BR/><BR/>In other words, while I understand (but haven't seen the documentation) that some Neocons have been quite involved there, there are also some realists who had close ties. Their relationship at ATC is the root of Wilson's and Scowcroft's mutual criticism of the Bush Administration, for example.<BR/><BR/>Now one thing I will absolutely entertain is that the Powell wing (Powell, Armitage, Grossman--note that most accounts of his retirement put Grossman firmly in the Powell camp, not at all in the Neocon camp) is corrupt and nefarious in its own right. I think it's too easy for us to assume the Neocons are the only or worst enemies for this country. On the Plame issue, the Neocons appear to be at fault. But from your description here, you are (IMO) making a much stronger argument that the Realists are at fault in the Sibel Edmonds allegations than the Neocons.<BR/><BR/>To get to what I don't get. THe connection between Plame and this. Unless Wilson was effectively spying at ATC for Plame on this issue, it seems like the way the Plame issue pivots on this relates more to (perhaps) a rivalry WITHIN the US over ties to Central Asian influence. I don't know--I'll have to keep thinking on it.<BR/><BR/>One other thing you might consider--the recent <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1678220,00.html" REL="nofollow">Risen allegations</A> that we leaked Iran plans for a bomb, and that someone at CIA basically leaked all of our Iranian agents to Iran. The first seems like an attempt to set-up Russia. The second seems like a case of a double agent--the mistake is just too ridiculous. Don't know what to make of these two elements either--but if you're right and AIPAC relates to Edmunds' allegations, then I feel sure that this does too, since AIPAC was basically about Iranian intelligence.<BR/><BR/>emptywheelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136588843493424792006-01-07T10:07:00.000+11:002006-01-07T10:07:00.000+11:00Drug running, guns, family values -- sounds so Vie...Drug running, guns, family values -- sounds so Viet Nam. The only thing different between Iraq and VietNam is the internet. This is good use of a new media. Keep up the good work.<BR/><BR/>Your fellow Patriot,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1136579968176649952006-01-07T07:39:00.000+11:002006-01-07T07:39:00.000+11:00What happens when once Top Secret documents make i...What happens when once Top Secret documents make it onto the Internet exposing treason in wartime? Nothing! The 'evil doers' simply ignore the written word and pray that it will go away.<BR/>http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id120.html<BR/><BR/>Exposing these blatant felonies has had zero impact on the so called "Intelligence Community". There has been no public response or reaction from the former Attorney General, Ashcroft, who, along with Senators Kyl and Shelby of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, received this information in 2001. If the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States and two Senators can ignore this information, perhaps they will choose that route by ignoring revelations that only Sibel Edmonds can provide. <BR/><BR/>It's as simple as peeling layers from an onion or sqeezing toothpaste from a tube; once it happens the only thing that the government can do is ignore it. <BR/><BR/>Prosecuting the exposure of crimes is not a likely remedy because it is illegal to place a classification on a subject that is criminal in nature. Government regulations are quite clear on prohibiting a classification on criminal matters such as disregarding Presidential Directives issued during National Security Council meetings, during wartime.<BR/><BR/>Such felonies have no statute of limitations.<BR/><BR/>Bests,<BR/>JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com