tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post114655940044588638..comments2023-11-05T23:25:31.498+11:00Comments on Wot Is It Good 4: judy miller, stephen hatfill and mobile weapons labsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1155864684866809952006-08-18T11:31:00.000+10:002006-08-18T11:31:00.000+10:00thnx anonthnx anonlukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1155821774437519642006-08-17T23:36:00.000+10:002006-08-17T23:36:00.000+10:00There is some discussion of Dr Kelly and the Mobil...There is some discussion of Dr Kelly and the Mobile Weapons Labs here. Theres a British MP investigating if he was bumped off.<BR/>Just what was his role in the breaking of the fake mobile weapons labs story?<BR/><BR/>http://www.dr-david-kelly.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146837064735879652006-05-05T23:51:00.000+10:002006-05-05T23:51:00.000+10:00mr - judy reported that it's actually quite easy t...mr - judy reported that it's actually quite easy to make 'amateur anthrax' - hatfill wrote a paper comparing amateur to weaponized anthrax in 99lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146783274743026952006-05-05T08:54:00.000+10:002006-05-05T08:54:00.000+10:00enzo - good points alli didnt know the linda frank...enzo - good points all<BR/><BR/>i didnt know the linda franklin story - thanks for that.lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146764063789503142006-05-05T03:34:00.000+10:002006-05-05T03:34:00.000+10:00Wow! Nice work.I always wondered why part of the ...Wow! Nice work.<BR/><BR/>I always wondered why part of the US government never bothered to plant a bioweapons lab into Iraq. The involvement of world-class expert Hatfil in the 'search' for the lab now makes sense. Obviously, the Army and Intelligence could just go by Curveball and Hatfil's diagrams or 'police sketches' based on them if they wanted to search for the labs.<BR/><BR/>But, based on what we heard from the 2 former CIA officers this week (was it on 60 Minutes or MSNBC?), the highest levels of the Whitehouse and the CIA knew before the war that such labs didn't exist, according to a Saddam Regime mole on our payroll.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, the involvement of Hatfil indicates that we were going to plant a real mobile WMD lab into Iraq, and purport it to be Iraqi. A false flag operation.<BR/><BR/>But someone else in the government, through checks and balances, put a stop to this somehow... Perhaps it was Valerie Wilson Plame.<BR/><BR/>It is typical of the Bush43 regime to let the shit roll down-hill, compmentalized, letting some lower level person take the fall.<BR/><BR/>The circularity/insularity of this cast of characters: Libby, US Bioweapons Production and covert ops, false flags, Hatfil, and Judy Miller is also typical of this regime.<BR/><BR/>With regard to Plame/Wilson I would also like to point out that the top counter-terrorism experts and whistle blowers serving our government have all met opposition, attack, gag orders, or even death.<BR/><BR/>John O'Neill was hounded out of the FBI because his colleagues stole/lost his laptop during a conference when he left a meeting room for a phone call. O'Neill was asking too many questions about the Saudis. He lost his life a few weeks later during the WTC attacks/bombings.<BR/><BR/>http://enzotitolo.blogspot.com/2006/04/triple-leak-hypocrisy-these-leaks-and.html<BR/><BR/>Linda Franklin, an FBI counter-terrorism analyst died from a gunshot while she was leaving a Home Depot during the Beltway 'Sniper' Shootings spree in October 2002. She worked with distinction at the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center, the only FBI division slated at the time to move to Homeland Security. Ms. Franklin was a cyber-security expert. Her murder was not tried or thoroughly investigated, since there were so many other charges against Army veteran and Nation of Islam convert John Allen Muhammad. It seems strange to me that the FBI wouldn't do their own investigation and push for a prosecution against the murderer of one of their own.<BR/><BR/>http://enzotitolo.blogspot.com/2006/04/triple-leak-hypocrisy-these-leaks-and.html<BR/><BR/>Valerie Plame Wilson was a top WMD investigator for Iran and Africa; she and her assets are blown and endangered.<BR/><BR/>Sibel Edmonds has gag orders on her. <BR/><BR/>And the guys in the DIA who discovered Mohammed Atta's cell were told that Atta was off limits nearly a year before the attacks, and they are muzzled in the Able Danger Operation affair....<BR/><BR/>I've also lately been intrigued by the fine line that exists between defense and offense, intelligence and counter-intelligence, and terrorism and counter-terrorism. Why are we making the Ames strain of Anthrax bioweapons? For defense? I suppose that this is our way around the ban on WMD that we signed a treaty for...Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553816757440930922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146746167138452282006-05-04T22:36:00.000+10:002006-05-04T22:36:00.000+10:00i have an update herei have an update <A HREF="http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/05/judy-miller-and-hatfills-mobile.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146729537571947212006-05-04T17:58:00.000+10:002006-05-04T17:58:00.000+10:00apparently zack was filmed there in 1992apparently zack was filmed there in 1992lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146716894526795302006-05-04T14:28:00.000+10:002006-05-04T14:28:00.000+10:00Some time back the name Philip Zack came up as a p...Some time back the name Philip Zack came up as a possible player in the anthrax scare. He had been seen in Ft. Detrick a couple of times after he was booted out after an altercation with a fellow worker(an arab) he had sent offensive items to. The story was security cameras captured him entering the area when he wasn't supposed to be there. I haven't heard anything more on this for years. Hatfill could have been set up to cover for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146712350185583892006-05-04T13:12:00.000+10:002006-05-04T13:12:00.000+10:00I knew some of what you've written. I always thoug...I knew some of what you've written. I always thought the fact that Stephen Hatfil was working on those mobile labs and then became a person of interest in the anthrax investigation was very odd. Then pictures of similar vehicles seemed to turn up in Powell's presentation to the Security Council.<BR/><BR/>I thought from the beginning that elements friendly to Cheney in the CIA sent the anthrax. After all, look who got the mail.Veridicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08626263742995578178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146709785113993802006-05-04T12:29:00.000+10:002006-05-04T12:29:00.000+10:00ew - i've updated the post to give a shoutout to y...ew - i've updated the post to give a shoutout to your judy serieslukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146701258182776072006-05-04T10:07:00.000+10:002006-05-04T10:07:00.000+10:00pretty obvious the anthrax was home grown.the lack...pretty obvious the anthrax was home grown.<BR/><BR/>the lack of reporting of this "ongoing" investigation is one clue.<BR/><BR/>the particular molecular makeup of the weaponized anthrax preparation can be determined and the exact lab used to produce it, as well as specific lots of reagents used can be determined.<BR/><BR/>ICP- Mass Spec is a forensics tool that allows part per trillion detection of nearly every trace metal present. the specific amounts generate a "fingerprint" that absolutely identifies every componenet of the stuff. They can determine teh lot of sugar used to grow the anthrax, the lot of "weaponmizing reagent" used to blend the spores, etcc...<BR/><BR/>its absolute, precise, and accurate.<BR/><BR/>dig folks, dig...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146668887504425622006-05-04T01:08:00.000+10:002006-05-04T01:08:00.000+10:00Sounds like we know where the anthrax came from no...Sounds like we know where the anthrax came from now to me.Terriblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10882553197936839718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146636743583744812006-05-03T16:12:00.000+10:002006-05-03T16:12:00.000+10:00What gets me about the anthrax attacks is the high...What gets me about the anthrax attacks is the highly specific targets: Judy gets a 'safe' version and a free promo for her book, Daschle and Leahy get to fall in line on the Patriot Act and Florida Sun editor Robert Stevens gets a death sentence for publishing unflattering photos of Jena Bush. All of this is occuring in a 9/11 setting declared officially to be an 'intelligence failure'. The anthrax attackers certainly seemed to know who they were going to target. No shortage of intelligence there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146621288884341532006-05-03T11:54:00.000+10:002006-05-03T11:54:00.000+10:00simon - i'm with emptywheel. judy was a paid-up (a...simon - i'm with emptywheel. judy was a paid-up (and indispensible) member of WHIG<BR/><BR/>EW - i hadnt realised that there was a 2 week period where they effectively werent searching at all. I suspect that they 'knew' that whatever needed to be planted would have been planted and discovered by that time. The 2 week gap suggests that the ISG mobilization plan was hastily put together - i.e. it wasn't even a back-up plan (my memory about the detail of some of these events is getting hazy)<BR/><BR/><I>why did Duelfer and Kay eventually STOP lying, even though they'd both been doing it for 5 years?</I><BR/>tis indeed a mystery. Kay in particular (for mine) - he actually seemed to turn honest.lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146614787953033632006-05-03T10:06:00.000+10:002006-05-03T10:06:00.000+10:00emptywheel/lukery,What I was wondering about is wh...emptywheel/lukery,<BR/><BR/>What I was wondering about is who was it that was, initially at least, pulling her strings and pushing her in the right (wrong) direction. It was the way that she seemed to take what Ahme(a)d and his band of merry men were saying at face value that got me, surely she was smart enough to realise that they all had a vested interest in digging up the dirt on Saddam for their own power-seeking reasons. Was someone else, say CIA, DoD or WHIG, acting as guarantor on these stories, or pushing the defectors on to her in order to make their case and to sway public opinion in favour of the action? David Kay would seem to be an obvious choice, being as he had experience (of Iraq and being less-than-honest) from the UNSCOM days, and being as he seemingly went out of way to try to maintain the case against Saddam, to the point where Hans Blix had to issue a qualifying contradiction to counter some of the misinformation he was purveying.<BR/><BR/>Charlie Duelfer (by Scott Ritter's account) was clearly a company man but he does strike me as having a modicum of a sense of honour as well as of duty. His account will be one of the foremost among the references to Saddam's weapons programmes, he just hasn't covered every aspect as deeply as it could (and probably should be). David Kay's on the other hand was about as good as Judy's reporting on WMD right from the very beginning.<BR/><BR/>(Maybe her little anthrax adventure was only done to make her believe in the reality of fictional WMD?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146610694645176662006-05-03T08:58:00.000+10:002006-05-03T08:58:00.000+10:00hi guys - have just rolled out of bed and the brai...hi guys - have just rolled out of bed and the brain isnt yet fully caffeinated - but thanks for adding all the detail & observations (and i'll note that the actual post was a late nite post and perhaps isnt as clear as it should have been)<BR/><BR/>Simon - i meant to discuss that Kay & hatfill were both at SAIC - thnx for that. Wayne Downing is also a SAIC board member. (Something else that was odd in Judy's article is that she doesnt refer to them as SAIC but as 'Science Applications'). <BR/><BR/>also - "In 1992, Kay was fired from UNSCOM for using "underhanded methods" to concoct false evidence of Iraq's WMD programs" - and Hatfill was a part of UNMOVIC as well.<BR/><BR/><I>If the CIA were given orders to 'provide the case for the finding of WMD in Iraq (or even the recent use of by)' who knows how far they might go</I><BR/>actually - it looks the DoD may have had this job - not the CIA - which is why (?) the pentagon was desperate to put hatfill on the job (security concerns notwithstanding)<BR/><BR/>(Blogger is in meltdown - am struggling to post comments or posts)lukeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280906371216516750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146580324889277302006-05-03T00:32:00.000+10:002006-05-03T00:32:00.000+10:00emptywheel,Judy had been quoting David Kay back to...emptywheel,<BR/><BR/>Judy had been quoting David Kay back to at least Sept '02 so it is likely that he must have been of her regular sources:<BR/><BR/><I>On September 18, 2002, Miller's piece on the U.N. Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) cast doubt on its ability to uncover Iraqi WMD. She quoted David Kay as believing that U.N. inspectors were on a "mission impossible."</I><BR/><BR/><A>http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=ja04abrams</A><BR/><BR/>He had been very gung-ho about the weapons being there, as had she. By the time she realised she (and MET A, MET B and Task Force 20) could not back-up what she had been expecting it was too late for her to correct the record properly, by this time she must have realised how deeply she had been sucked into it all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146578619418041642006-05-03T00:03:00.000+10:002006-05-03T00:03:00.000+10:00May I respectfully suggest that you read the book ...May I respectfully suggest that you read the book <I>Project Daylily</I> by Garth and Nancy Nicolson?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194776.post-1146576331947668392006-05-02T23:25:00.000+10:002006-05-02T23:25:00.000+10:00"many dark actors playing games"Hmmm. Dr Kelly had..."many dark actors playing games"<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. Dr Kelly had told the Observer (and Judy) that the labs weren't bio by early June. She would have been plugging for any lab info related to carry on with the story. This came up. Maybe Hatfill was sidelined (because he was a suspect) and found other activities doing genuine training work. If the 75th didn't have too many scientific types with them then they certainly would not have wanted to have been messing about with potentially charged biolabs without knowing what they were doing. Could they have sneaked it in there and would it have stood up to scrutiny if it had been found? Dunno, but it would have been a big 'frame Saddam' job if they'd gone ahead with it. If the CIA were given orders to 'provide the case for the finding of WMD in Iraq (or even the recent use of by)' who knows how far they might go, or even think about going. BTW Stephen Hatfill and David Kay were supposedly co-workers at SAIC. A small-world coincidence perhaps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com