are british muslims british?

fwiw: "Corriere della Sera newspaper reported that Osman had told his court-appointed lawyer that the knapsack he carried on to the underground at Westbourne Park station on July 21 contained a detonator, "but the rest was flour". He was quoted as repeating claims that his aim was to "make a bang - startle people". The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, has already said that the devices were aimed to kill." (link)

and lets not forget this one: "Some reports quoted Osman as saying: 'I hardly know anything. They only gave me a rucksack to carry on the tube in London. We wanted to stage an attack, but only as a show. Who gave me the explosive? I don't know. I didn't know him. I don't remember. We didn't want to kill, we just wanted to scare people.'" (link)

* ken livingstone: "But if supporters of the Palestinians should be banned on the grounds that Palestinians kill civilians, then consistency would require banning Israeli leaders, who have been responsible for killing several times more Palestinian civilians. Someone advocating that both Sharon and Qaradawi be banned would be wrong, but at least they would be consistent." (link)
go read the rest of his piece in the guardian.

* btw - i cant stand the oft-repeated question: "are british muslims british first? or muslim first?" - and the feigned shock when some people answer that they are muslim first. id love to someone to ask Dobson whether his God is the most important thing in his life...