See here for the first installment: All Roads Lead to Iran
Installment 3, Bad Leaks and Good Leaks, is here
Luke: Moving on. Sibel talks about 911 as well. Do you know anything about that part of her story?
LA: Again, I think she's pointing to something and everyone thinks she has the Holy Grail to 911 and she doesn't. She just has certain transactions that may or may not be related - there's just no way to tell. She knows this herself - she knows she can't really clarify - but people are getting a misunderstanding that she somehow holds the grail to 911 and that's not the case. She has pieces that could, if put together in a particular context, and thoroughly verified, could possibly be of import as evidence of certain other people being involved. But this doesn't even in any way implicate any American government officials. It still implicates foreign assets - so again, it's not what people think it is.
Sibel is gagged and so she has to communicate out the best she can. She is very brave and very determined, but people keep assigning to her assumptions that are not true. Sibel saw a couple of pieces where info, without context, was possibly suggesting certain foreigners had financial dealings with regard to 911. But, that is not to say that in context those same dealings would be business as usual. For example, if one were to look at the Carlyle Group meeting on 911, it would seem very suspect on the surface. But 911 only exposed what had already been going on anyway, that is to say, there were many meetings of that type on many other days and no one seemed to have noticed or cared, but on 911 that meeting took on a whole other perception. So that is what I mean by context.
So if we, for example, assume for the sake of this conversation that what Sibel translated or intercepted with regard to 911 transactions had a context that would make it out of the ordinary and clearly implicate other people, then all things being equal, we are still looking at foreign nationals and from the same part of the world. It would certainly help provide a more accurate picture and if the pieces were put together and fully vetted it may also lead to other implications.
Honestly, the best way I can summarize this is as follows with the above caveat included in my summary:
Sibel translated/intercepted a series of transactions between foreign nationals and certain suspected members of the plot. Those foreign nationals are from the same part of the world as the official story has put forth as the primary part of the world where the plotters came from. Those foreign nationals may or may not have had certain sensitive business relationships which they may or may not have had for a very long period of time anyway. But should those foreign nationals be identified to be close to certain business interests and should those business interests be operating on the less than legal side of things, then after the proper vetting and corroboration, it could be said that certain business interests may be at the very least put into an embarrassing position. These business interests may or may not have had a business relationship with the front of Brewster Jennings, but again, we are operating without the full context and historical references here. So while it could be damning to some in terms of what Sibel uncovered, it is by no means what people are making it out to be. Sibel cannot clarify or defend her position on this as she is gagged, but she does the best she can by trying to point here and there.
Luke: Did you read that transcript of the interview that Sibel did with Meria Heller? That had some specifics about what Sibel knows, and doesn't know, about 911 - and she specifically mentions the cover-up, and that she's aware of documented proof that there are certain 'brand-name' American officials who are walking the streets when they should be in jail.
Sibel Edmonds: I can tell you -for sure - with 100% certainty - that they have gone out of their way to cover up the real entities involved in the 911 terrorist attacks - they have gone out of their way NOT to investigate.
There are certain individuals (officials - some appointed, some of them elected) who were involved with these support networks... some of them indirectly, but yet knowingly and directly involved
LA: Ok - she's right - but not for reasons that people think or, if she's talking about something that I have not seen, I'd certainly like to see it. Sure - they should be in jail. I assume she's talking about Feith and Perle and again, you're talking about certain characters overlapping in storylines - but that's not to say that they're in that actual 911 connection. Again, if you look closely, she is not really saying that, she is pointing at something around that. But in terms of Feith and Perle and business dealings that are shady if not criminal, she is right that they should be locked up. But she in no way says that they were implicated in 911 or in a 911 cover up and I don’t think she means there is a 911 cover up even, other than what I said above and why she is gagged “embarrassing to diplomatic relationships”.
Luke: Ok - I don't think that she specifically says that any of them were actively involved in 911 - however she does say that the government is actively covering it up
LA: Well - Ok. That's different - that may be true - but that has nothing to do with 911 per se. That has to do with possibly embarrassing business connections - let's put it that way. And that's why they could be - I stress COULD BE - covering it up for. But again - all I've seen is that it implicates the same group of Arab families, and those relationships and I can see that one could argue that if you look at those families and those certain relationships that you can see that there are certain American business relationships involved. But American business interests are all over the place - you know - what if China did something to us? Despite Wal mart’s shady business dealings, that would hardly make Wal mart culpable. So the relationships may be embarrassing and nothing more. We simply do not have the full context.
Either way, It's really the same group of people that we already know about - and the same things that we already know about - namely - it's in the genre of the Dubai money transfer to Atta - it's sort of a similar kind of thing. So it doesn't really take the story away from where it is now - however, there are people who overlap - that's true - so if there are people covering up - and again, that's a big IF, because I don’t have any proof. I mean - I have my own speculation, but in terms of journalistic reporting, I have no proof - but if they are covering up - it would be in terms of the business interests. That I could understand, I could see that happening.
Luke: OK. Speaking of Atta and that Dubai money transfer, one of the other things that Sibel points to is those meetings during the week of 911 between General Mahmoud of ISI and Grossman and others, including some of your friends like Porter Goss. Do you know anything about those meetings?
LA: Well - yeah - I have questions about those meetings, but again those meetings were business meetings. That's what I'm trying to say. On that same day there were a series of business meetings - not the least of which was the meeting of the Carlyle Group, again, a good example of this - with Bush 41 and the Bin Ladens meeting on that very day. There were a number of very interesting meetings - but if there wasn't any 911, we probably wouldn't be looking at those meetings at all. Remember, those meetings have been going on for quite some time - so it's just that 911 shed a light on those activities. One can speculate, but one must take into account historical relationships and activities. On the face of that, the meeting per say with Goss, Grossman, etc., does not say anything different from the meetings they have had in the past. But, I don’t think that Sibel is pointing at those meetings and saying “look here, these guys are involved in 911 and a cover up or something.” I suspect, and with good reason, that she is pointing to the people and their business dealings, because it is easy to point out a meeting where some of the players were assembled. But I should say that I may be entirely wrong and she may have an entire arsenal of things she intercepted that no one is privy to. But from what I have seen, it would appear that she is pointing to business dealings of an illegal nature, that is the issue.
Luke: Right - so you are saying that the meetings are interesting, but that that there is nothing significant about the fact that they happened at that time.
LA: Correct. I think they're interesting - and we should be interested in them - and when Sibel says that people should be in jail, I agree with her - because - not specifically those meetings - but certainly some of the other meetings, and some of the same people - what they're involved in is absolutely illegal - that is correct - but that's not to say that its related to 911. There is not enough to tie one thing to the other at all. Those meetings were going on anyway - it's just that 911 made us look at them. The meetings happened all these other times too. So, yes, the timing of the meetings is questionable - but the meetings themselves should be questioned - and should have been questioned for some time. I think she is pointing to the meetings and the people, not a specific date or if she is pointing to that date, then something else was going on business wise that she wants us to look at, but in terms of a direct link to 911 and Feith and Perle, nothing, nothing I have seen. Plus, while the official story has more holes than cheese, one must remember that sometimes if there is a cover up, that cover up could be for a whole set of other reasons that literally have nothing to do with the crime itself. If certain business dealings were unveiled because of 911, not that they were responsible for or related to it, but simply unveiled, then that damage would be more significant to a democratic government than a single attack could ever have been. Osama can not bring down America from the outside and with one attack, even, although it was a tragedy, but the subverting of the democratic process and corrupting the representative government can bring America to its knees.
Luke: That's very interesting. And given her language specialties (Turkish, Farsi and Azeri) she was looking primarily at Turkey and the other Central Asian countries where she notes that the Americans are building military bases
LA: Correct - and if you look - where are all these storylines going?
Luke: Straight to Iran
LA: Right - and that would answer some of your questions - without me having to say much more.
part 3 of the interview, Bad Leaks and Good Leaks, is here
(for more of my work on Sibel, you can start here)