Wednesday, June 21, 2006

desecrate or destroy the flag

* AL:
"According to the USA Today, the Senate is currently only one vote shy of the 67 votes needed to pass the "Flag Desecration Amendment." If so, I'm convinced the amendment will go down in history as the dumbest law ever written.
Despite my natural disinclination (apathy?) toward burning flags, if the Flag Desecration Amendment passes, I'm going to be awfully tempted to burn one for the first time, if for no other reason than to protest the passage of such a mind-bogglingly stupid amendment. And I have a feeling I won't be alone. It seems likely, therefore, that the primary consequence of this amendment will be to dramatically increase the level of flag burning in this country."

* glenn:
"The USA Today editorialized quite strongly today against the Flag Desecration Amendment, and then provided space for an editorial in favor of the Amendment. Who wrote the editorial favoring this Amendment? The increasingly odious Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who insults everyone's intelligence with this inane "reasoning":
Some opponents of the Flag Protection Amendment argue that we must choose between trampling on the flag and trampling on the First Amendment. I strongly disagree.

There is no idea or thought expressed by the burning of the American flag that cannot be expressed equally well in another manner. This Amendment would leave both the flag and free speech safe."
* flashback: here's DiFi in march 2000:
""No other emblem or symbol in our nation carries with it such a specific code of conduct in it's protocol for display and handling," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) countered. "Why then, should it be permissible conduct to burn, desecrate or destroy this symbol, this monument, this national symbol? That's not my definition of free speech.""
and as to AL's new-found desire to burn flags, as per calipendence's suggestion, i think we'll see a lot of flag burning on the blogs. definitely on mine.

(and it'd be remiss of me not to mention the wingnuts who wonder with amazement how muslims can be so crazy that they get upset if the koran is mal-treated)


Anonymous said...

on the flag thing-

what exactly is the purpose of this? will it have any teeth - will people go to prison for burning flags? if not, then what is the point? i don't get it.

- Jiminy Cricket

Don said...

In Bushite-ese:

Ugh. Me warhawk Dem, me make law, save flag from bad people. Me protect you good. You vote me, me make money from defence company, er, me mean protect you good.

lukery said...

lol - i was gonna put it in my post that maybe the flag-making lobby were behind the amendment cos they figured that lots of people would buy flags so that they could burn them.

or perhaps it's just a precedent-setter to prove that the first amendment isnt absolute... slippery slope and all that

rexcurrydotnet said...

Flag desecration laws are aimed at a new fad in schools: missing flags. Politicians are trying to stop the disappearance of flags from classrooms in the government's schools. School officials occasionally find some of the flags, desecrated or burned. The trend coincides with a spike in the number of students who refuse to participate in chanting the Pledge each morning. Shocking new discoveries about the Pledge of Allegiance (below), coupled with the the USA's growing police state, are causing the anti authoritarian trend among students.

Any Constitutional amendment against flag desecration is bad. State laws already dictate a pledge of allegiance to the flag daily in many schools. Why is it that flag fetishists who tout flag laws don't chant the pledge every day? Their hypocrisy masks the dark desire to make children and adults worship government daily at the ring of a government bell. Please oppose the amendment, and educate everyone about these new historical discoveries:

1. Dr. Rex Curry showed that the USA's early Pledge of Allegiance (to the flag) used a straight-arm salute and it was the origin of the salute of the monstrous National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis).
Historic photographs are at
also see

2. Many people were persecuted for refusing to give the straight-arm salute to the national flag. That was the national flag of the USA and of Germany. It happened in the USA (to the stars and stripes) and in Germany (to the swastika flag) at the same time. Many of the people who were persecuted were religious people who believed that the pledge and the salute were the sacrilegious worship of government. They had a basis for their belief. Most people do not know that a cross was worshiped as the notorious symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The group called the symbol on its national flag the "Hakenkreuz," not the swastika. Hakenkreuz means "hooked cross." Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, Professor Rex Curry discovered that it was also used sometimes by German National Socialists to represent "S" letters for their "socialism." With a 45 degree turn of his Hakenkreuz, the leader of German National Socialists combined the cross with collectivism, merged church and state, meshed religion and socialism, and mandated the worship of government. Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist" and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens.

3. Francis Bellamy (author of the "Pledge of Allegiance") and Edward Bellamy (author of the novel "Looking Backward") were socialists. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed National Socialists and they supported the "Nationalism" movement in the USA, the "Nationalist" magazine, and the "Nationalist Educational Association." They wanted all of society to ape the military and they touted "military socialism" and the "industrial army." Edward inspired the "Nationalist Party" (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists worldwide (including Germany) via "Nationalist Clubs."

The Pledge is part of the USA’s growing police-state. The insane government in the twice the size of the prior administration (in social spending ALONE), financed with enormous taxes, and still bankrupt with massive debt. The government could cause comatose persons to pledge dis-allegiance, to burn or desecrate the flag, and recite a declaration of independence. The size of the government, and the history of the pledge, make the pledge a desecration of the flag.

If government's schools (and the media) told the true history of the Pledge, then no student would chant it and all flags would disappear from classrooms. If Americans knew the truth, then the Pledge would cease to exist.

Fight the flag hags and their flag fetish. Government's schools should not teach kids to verbally fellate flags each morning. It is like a brainwashed cult of the omnipotent state. For adults it is childish. The pledge is emotional masturbation.

Remove the Pledge from the flag, remove flags from schools, remove schools from government.

Uranus said...

Very interesting comments.

What can be more ironic than fortifying the law prohibiting the nonissue of flag burning when the accepted method for disposing of a tattered, worn flag is to burn it? Is it a comedy routine? This reminds me of when I called MSN to cancel my internet access and they told me their computer was down. Damned Kaypros, I say bring back the good old days when calculators and Fords had cranks.

So, while we're building new flag manufacturing plants, let's put up more prisons and fill them with the unwitting traitors who commit the constitutional outrage of disposing of a flag at the end of its life. I call dibs on the brownshirt concession.

lukery said...

I call dibs on the brownshirt concession.

i like it :-)

Uranus said...

Thanks, buddy! I'm new here and this site rocks. Man, the fun never ends with the "puritanistic repressionists." I keep a pitchfork by the front door to drive 'em off.

lukery said...

glad you like it here. come back soon.

actually, i'm just out the door for a break for a day or two - but introduce yourself to the others in the new open thread. they're all pitchfork friendly :-)

and we all have a shared disgust for the degenerati...