"One huge problem with this conflict as it relates to discussion is that many arguments are conflated into one "GUT of the M.E." Kept my soapbox rather succinct eh? :)interesting points, all.
(ed: GUT=Grand Unifying Theory)
The US bias (IMO) towards Israel is interpreted (by some) to mean that AIPAC decides US foreign policy. I don't believe it. I get the sense that this view is encouraged because it serves to disguise other motives...ie...war profiteering, consolidation of wealth, police state implementation, etc. There is no doubt SOME sort of relationship between the US and Israel but it isn't "Hey US fight some wars for us."
Another thing that factors in are the winners and losers of the WoT. 9/11...Al Qaeda (Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia very involved) the alleged perpetrators. Who pays for 9/11? Afghanistan and Iraq. Who benefits? Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UAE and Iran. Some because the US considers them allies and others because of political dominoes that went their way.
Still haven't figured out the Israel/US/Saudi Arabia balancing act. Somewhat ironic that the only country that doesn't have oil (Israel) is the one that is said to dictate US foreign policy."
Here's a thought (that I haven't really thought through) - given that Perle and Feith (and Wurmser) wrote "A Clean Break" in 1996, and given that Perle and Feith established their defense lobbying company International Advisors Inc. seven years earlier - perhaps we should consider "A Clean Break" not so much as the blueprint for Israel, but more (or at least partially) as a blueprint for defense contractors.
Following that logic through, it isn't Israel saying "Hey US fight some wars for us" - it's more the defense companies (using proxies like AIPAC and ATC) saying "Hey US fight some wars for us."
update from Don in the comments downstairs:
If one considers that Israel (through IAI, Elta, and a handful of other companies) supplies technology and assistance to a number of nations on the 'other side', it gets a little clearer. For example, Israel deals with China and Pakistan, China deals with Pakistan and Iran, Iran deals with Hezbollah and Iraq.As james zogby noted in 2001:
Everyone's dealers of death & destruction make money while the world goes to hell.
"(Feith's) biography says that he specializes in "technology transfer, joint ventures and foreign investment in the defense and aerospace industries.""it appears that Feith was given the Undersecretary of Policy, DoD because of his history, not despite it.
suck on that, freedom lovers.
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If one considers that Israel (through IAI, Elta, and a handful of other companies) supplies technology and assistance to a number of nations on the 'other side', it gets a little clearer. For example, Israel deals with China and Pakistan, China deals with Pakistan and Iran, Iran deals with Hezbollah and Iraq.
Everyone's dealers of death & destruction make money while the world goes to hell.
thnx don - post updated.
sometimes i just wanna 'zidane' my computer screen.
as Noise noted earlier, we can presume that the NYT is connecting the dots in the background somewhere...
It's a safe bet that the dots are being connected in several places, on and offline, but once dots are connected, how long will the story stay on the shelf?
don - it's so fucking disheartening.
as i wrote earlier today, the media deserves to be charged with rico crimes
Talk about tying threads together...
Rooting around on the web for info on a second anti-missile system, the Barak SAM, that the Hanit would have used (if it wasn't turned off, too) I run across a reference to Israel signing a $100 million missile technology deal with India back in '03 here (it's down near the bottom). Discussed are the sale of SAMs, the Phalcon AWACS system, and Arrow-2 anti-ballistic missiles "as part of India's defence against ballistic missiles," one would assume from Pakistan or China.
Busy little beavers, aren't they?
From said WikiPedia article on the Arrow missile:
Israel is in negotiations with India to sell the system to them, but the US arms control regimen has blocked the sale of the actual missiles, though the Green Pine [tracking] radar system has already apparently been sold to India and installed. Discussions have also take place between Israel and Turkey, with which Israel has a strategic defense partnership, but the outcome is unknown.
One wonders where the negotiations with India are at with the rejuvenated relations with the US, although they did get 3 Phalcon airborne radar systems for $1.1 billion (to be fitted to Russian transports).
Nice to see Turkey get a shout out, too, where they're one of the Israeli defence industry's biggest customers.
thnx for that. you are a welath of information.
i didnt know india was playing that game as well. i thought it was mostly israel-china
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