"Washington Post.com headline: Cheney Says Hopes of World Rest on U.S.
In other words, EVERYBODY's fucked."
* tristero wonders about exactly which october surprise is up karl's sleeve. what do yuo think?
"In the past week I've spoken (about torture) to two decent and intelligent people who get much of their information about current events from conservative sources. Both of them, quite sincerely, repeated to me the winger talking point about how all the CIA has been doing to captives is playing loud music and keeping them in overly air-conditioned cells. It makes the silence of the Germans about the death camps much easier to understand: if something is too horrible to believe, it's easier not to believe it. And of course those who don't believe that we're torturing people tend to be completely convinced that the people we're not torturing, or sending to places such as Syria not to be tortured, deserve it, in the sense that they're in fact involved in terrorism: which also turns out to be false."
* athenae and tena liveblogged Blinky's UN speech