* i've been spending most of my time today over at DU and DKOS trying to manage my sibel stuff over there. sorry for the light posting, and not keeping up with comments.
here's some katchup.
* Miguel writes:
Are the Grey Wolves another Frankenstein monster created by the U.S.? Why did the Grey Wolves try to knock off their fellow Communist-hater, Pope John Paul II? And are the Grey Wolves now stridently anti-U.S. and in support of the anti-U.S. film (I forgot the title) that is now popular in Turkey?calipendence will hopefully give the answer about the title of the film.
re the Grey Wolves, as best as i understand it, they are a creature of (or were at least co-opted by) NATO, rather than the US, per se. They appear to have been one of the Gladio/'stay behind' operations that ran amok (see yesterday's post)
why did they try to kill JPII? - i'm guessing, either because they had gone rogue, or because they thought it was a sweet trigger for the clash of the civilizations.
The key, i think, to understanding sibel's claims is that there is no ideology involved - it's all about money (which coincidentally mirrors my own view of the world.) And if i'm not mistaken, Sibel points to what we know as 'NATO' as being one of the key corrupt vehicles. That is, people like Perle and Feith and Dickerson (and their international brethren) traffic drugs and weapons under the guise of NATO, and diplomatic immunity and so on.
* more from miguel (from ktm):
One question I have in all of this Israeli wheeling dealing is how high up the chain it goes in Israel. Are we talking about the Israeli military, or are we talking about the political level?i don't specifically know - and i can only give my boiler-plate answer that i know drives many of you nuts (and for good reason.) my default presumption is that when you have corrupt systems, the edges become very blurry. i don't know the slightest thing about the israeli political/military system, but it's difficult to conceive of them as silos. i can only give some data points - if we think if a country like Burma/Myanmar, we presume that all of the state apparatus (apparati?) are all effectively controlled by the same crew - and they also happen to control both the arms and the drugs.
if we look at a country like Turkey, we know we see the same sort of thing with the Turkish DeepState.
if we look at a country like the US, we see much the same - the 'military' and the 'political' bleed into each other and become largely indistinguishable. consider the close relationship between cheney and rumsfeld, or the fact that the MIC owns most of congress. i could go on.
in fact, i will go on - it's wrong (IMUHO) to even think of these groups as, say 'israeli military' and 'israeli politics' - IMO, it's wrong to think of them even in terms of nations and national groups and national interests. AFAIK, these people are all 'traitors' to the extent that it's best to think of them in terms of international crime syndicates - the idea of national boundaries doesn't really occur to them. the only (main) currency is currency - the great leveller.
but i'm boring you - cos you've heard this all from me before. again and again.
* miguel, again from ktm:
"I have to weigh in with Noise on this one. While we should be somewhat grateful to Lautenburg, he, along with every other legislator, are still respecting the illegal retroactive classification by John Ashcroft. Lautenburg will not say "Sibel Edmonds" and "Turkey" in the same sentence, for example.i don't know enough about this to comment - but thought it worthy of promotion to the (a?) front page.
The question is: are Congressmen like Lautenburg respecting the Ashcroft gag order because they are afraid of being accused of leaking classified info- or are they using this illegal gag order as an excuse, because they'd rather not talk about a scandal that includes bribed Democratic Congressmen, Israel and Clinton appointee Marc Grossman?"
for the record, i appreciate comments over at KTM - but because the blog is supposed to be about the movie, i'm a bit reluctant to front-page comments over there and engage in outta-my-arse speculation - in case i damage the 'sibel' brand and/or the brand of the movie - hence, i drag the comments over here.